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Posted Tuesday, January 5, 2010, at 5:13 PM

It seems as though Matt Holliday has signed a 7-year deal worth $120 million with the Cardinals. Now that the deal is done, what are your thoughts? What should the Cardinals do next? Do they need bullpen help, or should they pursue a third baseman?

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I say let David Freese have his fair shot at third, and try to add some pitching depth. If Freese doesn't work out, Tyler Greene is capable. The Cardinals also have what I believe is an excellent bargaining chip in Bryan Anderson, which could in turn be used to acquire a third baseman. If I had my wish, St. Louis would sign Miguel Tejada to play third base for about 6 or 7 million.

Right now, Julio Lugo, Tyler Greene, Joe Mather, or David Freese can play third. Options that will be on the block come July would be (presumably, since they're on their last year) Nick Punto, Akinori Iwamura, Wilson Betemit, and Ty Wiggington. Eric Chavez would also be a possible trade option, considering he'll be an upcoming free agent and Oakland/St. Louis trade history. Still available now is Joe Crede, a Missouri native and Melvin Mora.

I wouldn't mind seeing St. Louis going after one more starting pitcher, possibly Daniel Cabrera, Noah Lowry, Doug Davis, Rich Hill, even Ben Sheets.

I think that the addition of a reliever would be beneficial at this point, possibly bring back Kiko Calero, Guillermo Mota, Octavio Dotel. Also a lefty like Joe Beimel to compliment Trevor Miller.

-- Posted by Baseballfan88 on Tue, Jan 5, 2010, at 7:24 PM

I hadn't thought about Anderson being a trade chip because he has regressed significantly. His best trade value was likely a few years ago when he was tearing up the ranks.

I'd like to see what Freese can do as well with someone like Felipe Lopez to spell him. The rumor is that Tejada really doesn't want to play third, but if that's his best chance at the playoffs and a ring then I think he might reconsider. He's not much of a longball threat anymore, but he can still hit. The only thing I don't like about him is that he is very double-play prone -- with Pujols and Molina already hitting into their fair shares of DPs, that is a concern; however, that is just me being nit-picky.

An intriguing bullpen arm who is still on the market right now is Mike MacDougal. He's got a very live sinker and a deadly slider. I'd be interested to see what Duncan can do with him.

-- Posted by Brandon Higgins on Tue, Jan 5, 2010, at 9:22 PM

Tejada at third?! Kidding right? Do you know the numbers away from Minute Maid park?

Miguel Tejada, away from Minute Maid Park the last two years: 278/310/395 with 9 HR and 29 GIDP in 626 AB. No thanks.

As to notion of Tejada as "run producer" or "RBI man" or whatever -- on road last two years with RISP: .259/.294/.323.

STATS from Matthew Leach at stlcardinals.com

Stay away Mo!

-- Posted by oldtrougher on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, at 2:06 PM

I really don't think Tejada will be coming in. I just want the Cards to stay away from him. I'm anxious to see what Freese can do, and I think Mo has made it clear that Freese is going to have every opportunity to earn the job. If he doesn't succeed, what is the backup plan at third?

-- Posted by Brandon Higgins on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, at 5:15 PM

With Holliday on board, Ludwick in right, and Rasmus in center, I believe Joe Mather will get first shot at back up. Everyone knows that LaRussa loves platooning, and Freese/Mather/Lugo/Greene is probably what we'll see happen at third throughout the year.


What would you suggest is better than Tejada on the team already? Freese, he seems to have hit well with RISP, right? Freese, Mather and Greene are all proven major-league hitters, I must have forgotten....oh wait, none of them are.

Matt Holliday hit 36 homeruns in 2007, 25 coming at Coors. So would you have said Holliday can't perform outside of Coors? I'd assume you would.

Tejada hit .313 in 2009. A hit is a hit, no matter where you are. Maybe not true for a homerun, but for a hit. Maybe Tejada doesn't pose quite the threat for a long ball, but he hit 46 doubles in '09. He only struck out 48 times. Tejada has always grounded into a lot of double plays, but he's definitely better than all other options.

-- Posted by Baseballfan88 on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, at 9:41 PM

.....also Tejada also drove in 86 runs in '09. Pretty good "RBI man". The Astro's scored 643 runs, thats good for 27th ahead of Seattle, Pittsburgh and San Diego. The Astro's were also 25th in OBP, meaning they had no one on base for Tejada to knock in. As for the "notion" that Tejada isn't a run producer, think again. THANKS

-- Posted by Baseballfan88 on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, at 9:48 PM

Dude. Did you see the stats away from MMP I posted above?

Here they are again for ya.

Miguel Tejada, away from Minute Maid Park the last two years: 278/310/395 with 9 HR and 29 GIDP in 626 AB. No thanks.

As to notion of Tejada as "run producer" or "RBI man" or whatever -- on road last two years with RISP: .259/.294/.323.

So you are telling me you want to give this dude 3-5 mil per season for that? Come on dude.....

I did not suggest that he wasn't better than anyone on the team already. I am saying that the road splits make a very strong case he was nothing more than pedestrian away from the Juice Box.

I do however, agree with the platoon thing. TLR loves to do that. So why not mix and match a little Freese and Lugo and Greene over there.

The Cards have to see what Freese can do at the major league level. With the numbers he was running up in AAA and the fact that he was the return piece of the Edmonds deal, you have to throw him out there.

Just can't give a few mil to a player that (away from a hitters park) went deep 9 times and hit into 29 DP's. The away from MMP is the big factor in this equation.

-- Posted by oldtrougher on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 7:44 AM

Also, with the money the Cards are going to invest in Holliday, and are going to have to invest in Albert. Along with Wainwright and Carps money, the player development side of the organization has to start bringing some players up that can play. That is the responsibility of Jeff Luhnow. Granted their best bargaining chips were traded last year, but upcoming drafts are going to be HUGE for the Cards to start producing their own talent that is major-league ready in a year or two or three after the draft. Shelby Miller, drafted in the first rounds by the Cards needs to be on the 40-man roster in a couple of years. Big guy. Power arm.

-- Posted by oldtrougher on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 7:48 AM

You completely ignored that he drove in 13% of his teams runs. That's pretty good if you think one guy was responsible for all that. You failed to acknowledge he IS a good run producer on a bad team. Why revert back to runners in scoring position batting average? That is an untelling stat in this case.

-- Posted by Baseballfan88 on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 10:00 AM

For what it's worth, the numbers actually lean toward Minute Maid being a pitcher's park. Weird, I know. I heard that while listening to ESPN so I don't have a link, but I was astonished.

Here is an article of some importance in this discussion; it shows how the $100 million payroll will be distributed this coming year and what will be left over.


-- Posted by Brandon Higgins on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 11:08 AM

I don't know. Looks like more of a hitters park to me.


-- Posted by oldtrougher on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 12:03 PM

Besides, with the Crawford Boxes out there in left, that HAS to be a hitters park.

-- Posted by oldtrougher on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 12:04 PM

I'm honestly of the camp that if you can hit, you can hit. Doesn't really matter where you're playing. If you're not hitting cheap home runs and you're hitting line-drive homers, they are going to be hits anywhere.

The thing with Minute Maid, in my opinion, is that the Crawford Boxes equal out because of the enormous power alleys at that place. That's why the park is actually close the middle in home runs and is toward the bottom in runs, doubles and triples.

I definitely agree with you that the Cards are going to have to start grooming talent from within in order to keep Pujols and hold onto Waino in the coming years. A name I really like in our system is Lance Lynn. I think he'll be a good middle-of-the-rotation kind of guy. Those types are truly important in your rotation.

-- Posted by Brandon Higgins on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 1:23 PM

I agree, Lynn had a good year at AA, but you cant expect him until 2011 at the earliest. But take a look at Brad Thompson, 2005 Top Prospect, 2004 Futures Game participant, all those consecutive scoreless innings in AA. He can't even get a job with a glorified minor league team like Kansas City. I think the Cardinals have put themselves in a deep hole. The number one priority has to be Albert Pujols, not Matt Holliday. I just see the next few years as problems for the Cardinals if they re-sign Pujols. Ideally, I would have liked to have seen Matt Holliday walk and Pujols make that money. Now, in all probability, Pujols will make 25-30 million, and Holliday making right under 20 million a year. Can the Cardinals explore free agent options with very limited money? I just feel like Lance Lynn's of the world will be the Cardinals only hope in years to come. Youre probably looking at Wainwright or Molina leaving the Cardinals because of the logjam payroll.

-- Posted by Baseballfan88 on Tue, Jan 19, 2010, at 9:19 PM

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