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Animal rights supporters, breeders face off on Prop B ballot issue

Tuesday, October 12, 2010

Animal rights supporters and the dog breeding industry will go head-to-head in Missouri this November, as a bill known as Proposition B pushes for stricter guidelines for the breeding industry.

According to ASPCA Midwest Director Kyle Held, a former member of the Humane Society of Missouri, the proposed bill is simply a set of "common sense" guidelines for breeders.

"As far as the ASPCA's stance...it is basically a common sense upgrade for the puppy mill standards," Held said, listing adequate food, adequate water, adequate shelter, and better medical care as some of the top priorities of the proposition. "They have actually written in that every dog has to have a certain period of exercise now, the stacked cages kind of go away. The size of the enclosures improve. Everything that we are really shooting for is kind of a common sense thing that should be in place anyway."

Held said the new proposition would only affect licensed and unlicensed breeders.

"There are about 3,000 breeders in the State of Missouri, which is about 30 percent of the population of breeders," Held said, adding that the number of breeders in Missouri is "way above any other state in the union.

"We have some regulatory stuff with the [Missouri Department of Agriculture], we just need to improve some of the standards, which is what we are trying to do."

Held said the proposition includes an animal cap, allowing breeders to only have 50 breeding animals.

"Most of your reputable breeders in the state have less than 50 dogs anyway," Held said. "Really, the only thing the cap affects is sub-standard breeders anyway."

Held said the proposition also puts guidelines in place regarding the breeding cycle, allowing females to have no more than two litters within 18 months.

"The only other thing that it really does, which is more of a common sense thing also, is it allows for a breeding female to be taken out of the cycle," Held said. "It can't be bred every cycle, which is a bad trait of most of the puppy mills. They just breed them and breed them and breed them and breed them. That is not good for the dog.

"This proposition does allow them to be taken out of the cycle every other time. That improves the quality of life also."

Held said the proposition is not so much about hurting the dog breeding industry as it is about improving the quality of life for the animals.

"Like I said, everything that we are asking for on the proposition is pretty common sense stuff. I don't want to shut down breeders, I just want to improve the quality of life for the animals while they are there."

Oppositions of the proposed bill claim that the new guidelines are too strict, and could put many legitimate breeders out of business.

According to Kara Crass, a breeder from Jenkins, Mo., who recently wrote the Daily Dunklin Democrat, the proposition is "intentionally aimed at misleading Missouri's voters."

"It's not about basic humane care, we already have regulations in place for that. Twenty-three pages of regulations," Crass said. "It's about limiting the number of dogs a breeder can own. It's about creating unrealistic space requirements that will prove so cost inhibitive that most breeders will not be able to comply."

According to Crass, a number does not define humanity.

"Animal welfare is about the quality of care given to animals, not the number of dogs a person owns or even if they make money selling puppies," Crass said. "This proposition does nothing and has no provisions in place to find and stop puppy mills. The only ones that will suffer are the responsible breeders that go out of their way to follow the laws we already have."

In her argument against the proposition, Crass urges everyone to "please be informed before you vote," adding that there are "several resources for you out there."

"We all have a voice and we all have the ability to find out the facts for ourselves," Crass said. Do not let anyone make you feel like you are a 'bad person' or a 'dog hater' if you vote 'no' on Proposition B. Voting 'no' does not mean that you approve of puppy mills or inhumane conditions for dogs. None of us approve of puppy mills. However, no issue is completely black and white. This proposition is written to 'throw out the baby with the bath water.' It just doesn't make sense."

According to the Missouri Secretary of State's Web site, the purpose of Proposition B is to "prohibit the cruel and inhumane treatment of dogs in puppy mills by requiring large-scale dog breeding operations to provide each dog under their care with basic food and water, adequate shelter from the elements, necessary veterinary care, adequate space to turn around and stretch his or her limbs, and regular exercise."

The proposition goes on to say that any person having custody or ownership of more than ten female covered dogs for the purpose of breeding those animals and selling any offspring for use as a pet shall provide each covered dog:

* Sufficient food and clean water;

* Necessary veterinary care;

* Sufficient housing, including protection from the elements;

* Sufficient space to turn and stretch freely, lie down, and fully extend his or her limbs;

* Regular exercise, and;

* Adequate rest between breeding cycles.

If the act passes, violators will be charged with a Class C misdemeanor, unless the defendant has previously pled guilty to or been found guilty of a violation of this section, in which case each such violation is a class A misdemeanor. Each violation of this section shall constitute a separate offense. If any violation of this section meets the definition of animal abuse in section 578.012, the defendant may be charged and penalized under that section instead.

Ultimately, this November the public will be the deciding factor in the, "Puppy Mill Cruelty Prevention Act." If passed, the new guidelines will go into effect one year after passage.

For more on the proposed statute, log on to http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2010peti...

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At puppy mills in Missouri, dogs are crammed into small and filthy cages, denied veterinary care, exposed to extremes of heat and cold, and given no exercise or human affection. These puppy mills are cruel and the way these dogs are treated is wrong. Prop B will stop puppy mill abuses by establishing common sense standards for the proper care of dogs.

The Humane Society of Missouri and many Missouri veterinarians urge a "YES" vote on Prop B.

To learn more about the conditions in Missouri puppy mills, you can view the HSUS's "Dirty Dozen" report at http://www.humanesociety.org/news/news/2....

To learn more about Prop B, please visit http://yesonpropb.com/

-- Posted by AnneHSUS on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 12:07 PM

There are many legit licensed professional kennels in Mo. I know because I am a kennel vet. We have state of the art kennels. Computerized records. I make kennel visits regularly. The are inspected routinely. These are family operations and they love their dogs. They hire groomers. I do dentals and routinely do puppy exams. The proposed changes will make dogs antisocial, sick and will cause puppies to die. Missouri Veterinary Medical Assoc. AKC, Farm Bureau have condemned this prop B and declared it unsafe. Barbara Schmitz of HSUS came up with the plan. Call her and ask to see this model kennel that she has build and used. Ask for copies of the scientific research. 573-263-9226 Ask to see photos of all this. I was curious and you should be also. Make an informed choice. $2 billion in Missouri revenue is at stake. More importantly thousands of kennel dogs will be killed to meet the 50 dog max. Do you want to be responsible for killing and innocent dog?

-- Posted by Jarrott,dvm on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 6:41 PM

@ AnneHSUS Maybe all that is true about Puppy Mills, but this bill will not affect Puppy Mills! They are not licensed, and legal, and are hiding from the law now, so how do you figure this will change anything for the dogs living in those horrible places???? The only people that will feel the affects of this new law will be the PROFESSIONAL BREEDERS, and they have already gone the 3rd mile to do things right!! They could have stayed hidden, and raised puppies without being licensed, but they CHOSE to do evrything the right way, and ASKED TO BE INSPECTED BY APHIS, USDA, VETERINARIAN, and usually AKC! Why did they do this? Because they truly love, and care about their dogs, and do not want to have their Name, and or Kennel tarnished by THE WORD>> PUPPY MILL!! VOTE NO ON PROP B AS THIS WILL ONLY PUNISH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE!!

-- Posted by Not-Fooled on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 6:56 PM

I know alot of folks who used to give big time money and this is going to end. Alot of folks are reading this and crying foul play. Where is this model kennel that Barbara Schmitz of HSUS has built, managed and maintained. Where is her data to support her theories? You know if anyone of us came up with something like this we would have to have how many scientists, engineers, economists? to even talk about it and they just walk in and say we think? Call Barbara 573-263-9226 and ask her to send you the data and schedule a tour of her super humane kennel and then tell her that you are going to watch her clean urine and crap off the solid floor and give each dog a bath each day.

-- Posted by Jarrott,dvm on Tue, Oct 12, 2010, at 11:23 PM

Professional dog breeders love their dogs. I was in the business for many years and saw people who got in it for the money. They didn't last a year when they found out the work involved. Dog breeders are in their kennels all hours of the day and night, checking on dogs and feeding puppies because they love them. They don't need big government creating more paperwork for them.

-- Posted by dogwoman on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 8:21 AM

My dogs are NOT crammed in small filthy cages, yet I am being identified as a puppy mill in this proposed bill. I very much resent the slanderous term being applied to all legal, licensed, IN COMPLIANCE (with the 23 pages of current regulations) dog breeders in Missouri. This was done intentionally to mislead and dupe the public into an automatic yes vote. HSUS could not accomplish their mission of destroying the dog industry in Missouri without using the negative of the term 'puppymill', which they have carefully cultured over the years to mean a filthy abusive facility (obviously unlicensed). Vote NO on Prop B.

-- Posted by rek on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 8:58 AM

Hmmmm, all the veterinarians I know absolutely OPPOSE Proposition B. They KNOW that the bill would be very detrimental to dogs and deadly to young puppies.

The veterinarians who support Prop B obviously do not know anything about animal husbandry or raising dogs OR have not read the bill in its entirety. In fact, if YOUR vet supports Prop B, I would CHANGE VETS FAST! Find one who knows something about animals and knows enough NOT to support the HSUS agenda!!!! NO ON PROP B.

-- Posted by rek on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 9:15 AM

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A PUPPY MILL! YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CARING OR LOVING A DOG (ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.) I SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON MY DOGS LAST YEAR I SPENT $16,967 DOLLARS ON MY DOGS I HAD A FEED BILL OF MORE THAN $20 THOUSAND DOLLARS AND MY DOGS ARE NOT CRAMED INTO A DIRTY SMALL CAGE AS YOU THE HSUS HAVE SUGGESTED. SHAME ON YOU FOR TRYING TO FOOL THE PUBLIC INTO THINKING YOU ARE HELPING HELPLESS ANIMALS. WHEN IN FACT YOU ARE LINING YOU POCKETS WITH BILLIONS OF DONATIONS THAT DOES NOT GO TO A SINGLE DOG UNLESS MAYBE YOR FEED YOUR OWN PERSONAL HOUSE PET. WE ARE HIGHLY REGULATED BUT THIS BILL WON'T AFFECT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW NOT AT ALL. THE HSUS ARE GOING AFTER GOOD HONEST PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING. WHAT IF THEY WERE GOING AFTER YOUR JOB OR YOUR KIDS OR YOUR LIVELY HOOD. WELL THEY ARE DOING THAT TO US AND FOOLING THE PUBLIC INTO HELPING THEM. THIS IS SUPPOST TO BE A FREE NATION NOT A COMMUNIST NATION BUT IF YOU AS THE PUBLIC DON'T WAKE UP WE ARE HEADING DOWN THAT ROAD IN A HURRY. !!!PLEASE VOTE NO ON PROB B WE ALREADY ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING MY DOGS LIVE BETTER THAN MOST PEOPLE IF THEY WANT TO HELP SOMEONE THEN HELP THE HOMELESS PEOPLE. MY DOGS HAVE A HOME A GOOD HOME WHY ARE YOU TELLING ALL THESE LIES TO THE PUBLIC. WHY DID THE HSUS IMPORT ALL THOSE ANIMALS INTO THE US? ITS SO THEY COULD HAVE PUPPIES TO SHOW AND LET ON LIKE THEY TOOK THEM FROM US. WHAT A LOAD OF LIES YOU ARE FEEDING THE PUBLIC. PLEASE VOTE NO I LOVE MY DOGS AND DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO KILL ANY OF THEM AND THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE COUNTING ON IN THE END. PLEASE I'M BEGGING VOTE NO ON PROB B.

-- Posted by RESPONSIBLE BREEDER on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 10:32 AM

I absolutely refuse to downgrade my facility to the Prop B HSUS specs. I will NOT raise my precious babies in filty pens that are hard to clean like Prop B states we should use. I will NOT allow them to get sick from these filthy pens that Prop B HSUS wants me to use. I will NOT allow my babies to risk their lives by getting outside in the cold. I cannot beleive the ignorance of the person that wrote up Prop B and how they think this would be better for my dogs. I have a spacious clean facility and my dogs are happy and well adjusted. They are not scared, matted and filthy! How dare these people try to take away my business my life and my passion to do what I love! Prop B has nothing in it to hunt down and find these unlicensed kennels. It is poorly written and intended to end all dog breeding. Don't beleive their lies! VOTE NO on Prop B!

-- Posted by slm2010 on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 2:52 PM

How are they going to know who has 10 or more pets? I am doing my thesis on this. I need some more info, thanks.

-- Posted by mcoram on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 7:28 PM

Sorry, I meant 50 or more animals...and how are they going to know or find out the breeders who are unlicensed?

-- Posted by mcoram on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 7:38 PM

to mcoram: Well the way I read the law it has nothing in it to hunt down unlicensed breeders that are currently hiding from the current laws. These unlicensed kennels are the ones that are usually seen in the raids on TV that are horrible. So therefore the ones that are licensed will be inspected as they usually are and if this passes they will have to change their facility to meet the new requirements and have no more than 50 dogs. If they do not change their facilities then they have to get down to 10 dogs or less. If you think about it many of the kennels already have debt for their exsisting facilities. If their income is lessened they will have a hard time making ends meet. Many will not change and will be out of a job completely. Unfortunately there will be thousands of dogs that breeders will need to get rid of all at once. It isn't easy finding homes for older dogs. I am afraid that many will have to be euthanized in order to comply. It is so wrong to have to decide which dogs we can keep and which must have to go. I have been thinking about it alot lately. I cannot for the life of me choose which ones I would keep and which ones must go. I hope it doesn't pass so I do not have to. This is America we should have the freedom to have and keep all our dogs.

-- Posted by slm2010 on Wed, Oct 13, 2010, at 9:18 PM

The veterinarians HSUS brags about being in support of Prop B, including the one doing the commercials on television are the vets hired by the animal shelters, which are (of course) exempt. The majority of the veterinarians in Missouri AND the American Veterinary Medical Association (the national organization of veterinarians) are strongly OPPOSED to Prop B. They are informed and intelligent enough to know that this bill is BAD LAW. Our medical community wants dogs to have proper care, but recognize that Prop B DOES NOT improve conditions for dogs that are already regulated by 23 pages of rules! My vet also feels it is very detrimental to dogs, particularly to newborn and young puppies. Vote NO on Prop B!!!

-- Posted by rek on Thu, Oct 14, 2010, at 7:29 AM

By Jim Foster DVM

A group of egg suckin dogs has made their way into our old glory Mizzou. These dirty dogs are called animal rights extremists. They are after our licensed professional kennels and next they will be after our livestock. They have a whackadoo psycho agenda in mind for you folks out there in the land of Mizzou. The top of their hidden agenda is to take away your right to eat meat. They are a clever pack and have pulled and tugged at the heart strings of many generations of Americans. They have put little helpless puppies up on your television screens in order to get into your wallets. They made the promise to control the pet populations with spay and neuter. Your generosity of charitable donations would be used to make that happen. Do you really know where your hard eaned money went?

You may now only own one crossbred dog. You dog must receive a full comprehensive wellness exam each year by a licensed veterinarian. Your home will be inspected. The dog must have a room the size of your bedroom and large outdoor pen to exercise. Your dog must have unfettered access to the outdoors which means it has to be able to go in and out at anytime on its on free will. The dog must have all its vaccinations, be spayed or neutered, licensed and you yourself will have to maintain a federal and state license. If you do not comply with these mandates, you will be arrested and could face a large monetary penalty and criminal charges. The voters of Missouri decided this on your behalf. How do you feel?

As a veterinarian, I feel outrage concerning Missouri Proposition B that is aimed at our licensed kennels. My associate Dr. Debra Mayes and I have been kennel veterinarians for over nineteen years. Our clients are licensed both federally and through the state. They are inspected annually by a federal inspector, state inspector, an inspector from The American Kennel Association, and by us. They operate under a set of rules and regulations set by The United States Department of Agriculture. These are the folks that actually know something about animal husbandry. They follow our recommended health program. Many of our clients are married couples with children. Their dogs have names and they are loved. The children work in the kennels with their parents and there are also those that hire outside help. Our kennels continually invest money to upgrade their facilities. They also invest money in the community. These are the families that save for their kids college education.

Our clients are being portrayed as monsters. These are the people who have taught me more about dogs than what I learned in vet school. These are the people that cry when we have to put their dog to sleep and have special places to bury them. At risk here is the livelihood of families and of our communities. Their children are the ones who go on to become veterinarians. Would you rather have them treat your dog or someone who watched the television show Animal Planet?

Proposition B would limit each kennel to no more than fifty dogs. Each dog would have a large room inside and a large pen on the outside with what they call "unfettered access." This means a dog must be able to come and go freely. The dogs must be on a solid surface. Thre are other lengthy mandates to this proposition. The ones mentioned are what we feel are the point to the arrow. The size requirement would require nearly ever kennel in this state to either gut or rebuild. The unfettered access would allow a pregnant female to walk outside on a winter night and have her pups in zero weather. Pupsicles! A solid surface means that a dog could urinate on itself and also walk in its own stool. A female could also contaminate a nursing pup with fecal material. We feel that the mandates are not financially feasible and we feel that there is a purpose behind it. The red flag here is that The Humane Society, shelters, rescues and catteries are immune from this proposition. These entities go through far more dogs than our kennels and they aren't a part of their own mandates?

Proposition B has been condemned by many individuals and organizations including: The Missouri Veterinary Medical Association, The Farm Bureau, and The American Kennel Club. They all know that the mandates are unfair to the kennel owners and the dogs. As a veterinarian, if I personally prescribed these changes, I would be guilty of malpractice. I personally believe along with many that this is purposely being done to end purebred dog breeding in this state and across America. They have attempted this in other states and it eventually ended in a battle with our livestock farmers.

Prop B will kill our economy. There are over 1400 licensed kennels. This would cause unemployment for thousands. It will also lead to the senseless euthanasia of thousands of kennel dogs to make the kennels comply to the fifty dog limit. It sickens me to think that we have a Prop B to free dogs when we have many kids trapped in horrible situations like meth labs. Our moral compass is off. We've forgotten the "human" part of humane. Those activists will be rolled over in the nursing home one day for a wipe of their behind. A young male orderly carves "Dirty Dog," into their skin and says, "Where was Prop K for kids?"

-- Posted by Not-Fooled on Fri, Oct 15, 2010, at 1:20 PM

We can only pray that intelligent and informed voters will see through HSUS' deceitful attempt to dupe Missouri citizens into destroying an entire industry and creating economic havoc in this state. Keep HSUS out of Missouri and vote NO on Prop B!

-- Posted by rek on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 7:39 AM

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?st...

please read before voting

-- Posted by Jarrott,dvm on Sun, Oct 17, 2010, at 5:38 PM

Annehsus, on the payroll out of the state of Maryland. That AnneHsus?

Pure propagandist. She writes the same posts all over the state.

-- Posted by like2b_onree on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 8:47 AM

All dog breeders in the state of Missouri having over 3 breeding females are ALREADY required by law to be licensed.

Commercial kennels are ALREADY regulated in Missouri by 23 pages of rules.

This bill is taking the same approach to bad breeders that gun control advocates take toward crime by calling for taking away all guns from legitimate, law abiding citizens in an effort to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. We all know that doesn't work either!

This bill will take away the ability to operate a licensed, legitimate kennel by imposing impossible to comply with regulations, and severe penalties for breaking any rules by arresting you for a misdemeanor crime for each and every rule you break, intentional or not.

-- Posted by like2b_onree on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 10:45 AM

NOTICE A VIOLATION is a CRIME in Proposition B. NO ONE can run any operation perfectly!!

6. A person is guilty of the crime of puppy mill cruelty when he or she knowingly violates any provision of this section.

The crime of puppy mill cruelty is a class C misdemeanor, unless the defendant has previously pled guilty to or been found guilty of a violation of this section, in which case each such violation is a class A misdemeanor.

Each violation of this section shall constitute a separate offense

-- Posted by like2b_onree on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 10:46 AM


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