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"Do you think your children are safe at school?"Posted Wednesday, May 20, 2009, at 12:39 PM
The damages in the aftermath of it all.
When I answered the phone I was told that my 10-year-old son was arguing with a fellow student when another student that was 3 years older came up from behind him and punched him in the eye. Now the misleading portion of the subject had just begun. I was told that he was in 5th grade, not that he was a failed student that had been held back a few times. I was also told in the report that there was no blood accessed, which I found not to be true, after a little investigating of my own. Another issue I have is that the school called me and no one else, not the law, not an ambulance, no one. My son came home after I sent my wife to pick him up, and being a professional fighter for 12 years, I could tell that there was extensive damage to his eye, as it was swelled shut. I asked my wife to take him to the ER, and that's where we found that he has an orbital eye fracture in two places and is still spitting blood as well as vertigo. The young man that punched him only got 3 days suspension and is always in trouble for fighting. I have now made 4 trips to St. Louis Children's Hospital not to mention all the tests and doctors that I have taken him to right here at home. So I ask you readers, "Do you think your children are safe at school?" And who should be held responsible when something does happen to your child at school? Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Being in the teaching profession, I can assure you that nobody is "safe" anywhere, including school. School shootings, if nothing else, has shown us this. Nomatter what, if someone wants to harm you, there's nothing stopping them but self-restraint.
So, who's responsible for self-restraint? The kid and the kid's parents. Period. If it's taught at home that it's acceptable to end someone's life or punch someone in the face, that's what's going to happen at school and anywhere else. And, sadly, I've heard and seen many situations where parents teach their kids that very thing.
And then there's the argument of "schools should teach kids these important concepts." To an extent, we do teach these kids these concepts (if nothing else, through disciplining them). However, I don't feel like we're raising the stakes quite enough.
At my previous school students were suspended 10 days for getting into a fight; we had 3 fights while I was there (however, one of them involved a faculty member being blind-sided by a student). At my current school students are suspended 3 days for getting into a fight (and in some cases given ISS for getting into a fight); we had 6 fights (just that I knew about) in the first semester of school, 2 that I had to break up were in my classroom (where the student then threatened me and received 3 days of suspension).
So, I feel the issue is with how we handle the situation afterwards that will be a better form of "prevention." Because, once again, nobody is safe. If schools would take the initiative to make a statement, this would get rid of a lot of ignorance.
So what your saying is that the schools insurance does not cover on campus damages to our kids when in the schools supervision
So what your saying is that the schools insurance does not cover on campus damages to our kids when in the schools supervision
Not that I'm aware of? I'm not an expert on school law, but I'm pretty sure that's an outside issue. I'm not sure the school would be liable unless they "overlooked" it or someone was not properly supervising. That would be something you would have to ask someone much smarter than I.
I agree that the way the fight is handled afterward is the best deterrent to prevent future fights, and I also believe that the child and/or the child's parents should be liable for damages.
And 3-days suspension definitely doesn't sound like enough punishment. I live in a bigger city, and here the police are called for every fight so that parents have the option to file charges if necessary. With all the hospital visits your family has had to go through, it would've been great if you could've had that option. That child's parents should be paying those bills... not the school, but definitely NOT YOU EITHER.
Ok,
I am not an expert on this subject by far, however it would seem that the school, AND this boys parents responsiblity. There is such a thing as Negligent supervision, I know this because of many many class hours I have spent learning and teaching this very thing. I am not sure if that would apply with the shcool but its worth looking into. I am not ignorant to the fact that most of our teachers or faculty will not just simply let something like this happen if they know whats going on, and I am sure they do all that they can do and things still seem to happen beyond anyones control, however its like this, My cousin recently had to pay a large vet bill because of some damage that her animal caused to another animal, and by all rights she should have had to pay for them but it wasnt necessarilly her fault the dog ran out the door when she was leaving. It seems that the school should have to take care of some of that cost to you to include paying for your travel and added expense! We send our kids to school trusting in the teachers to keep them as safe as possible and knowing they will come back home in the same health they left in, I would contact an attourny and just see what I could do
I agree with "smalltownguy" that someone else should pay for those expenses, but I don't agree that it's the school (which would probably be an exhausting process simply trying to get the school board to approve the reimbursement costs anyway even if they did have a policy on that). I absolutely feel it should be the same concept as when "smalltownguy"s sister had to pay for the damage her dog caused... the bully's parents are his "owners" and should have to pay the costs of the damage their son caused.
i think the principla is responsible,i know my mine isnt no angel but he was also being bullied at school but it always my son being punished,i hope your son eyes get better soon whn i seen that picture i was furious my self,the boy should of gotten more that 3 day suspension thats more like a slap on the wrist.
NO I DO NOT think children are safe at school and if this happened on school grounds yes the school should have a suit brought against them for allowing this if not at school TOTALLY YES NAIL THE PARENTS they should have taught him better and in this case if the child was held back in school for a few years something isnt going right somewheres hummmm like home its just not acceptable for a child to beat on another good luck too you and GOD bless
I've tried contacting the parents and they will not answer the phone. The principal new there was something baddly wrong with my childs eye when he first saw it and did nothing. He took the boy home for his 3 day vaction and told his dad that there was most likely more damage than just swelling. Now why would you take him home and not take mine to the ER? If I had your child at my house and he got hurt, I'd call you from the hospital to tell you! Or at least as I'm on the way! It gets better! After the three day suspension the boy got, he came back to school and made threats to my son about hitting him in the eye again. As well as my other boys with threats that his big brother would whoop them if they tried to stop him. I called the school and had to make sure nothing happend to my kids.
Now in all fairness I have to admit that my boy's were not happy with what had happend to their brother, We are a close family. So after days of threats and the boy trying to trick my son into coming to him so he could punch him, my 13 yr old (same as other boy) stopped him in the lunch room and asked him what his problem was and why he sucker punched his brother. The boy then told him that he was looking for him so he could brake it again and what was he going to do about it. So my son pushed him down and told him to leave his brother alone. The boy began cussing my son out and threatning him with his brother phone #, So my boy lost his cool and pushed him again. Not Hit, Pushed. The boy then went and told on my son, but not the one who did it, but my oldest son, he's 17. So they called the law, but before they new who did it they threatend to put my son in jail. And boy was he freaking out. But the video showed he was no closer than at least ten feet away, and the boy was lieing about who it was so it would get my son in more trouble because he was older. Or it was a setup to keep me from sueing. But it didn't work! They gave my 13yro 3 days suspension (fair punishment for pushing I'd say) and a talking to from a juvy officer. But I've been as civil as I can. I think it's time to get some legal help.
BUT NOW I DO HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT my son saw this picture and i asked him he is 11 if that was you what do you think i would have done welll i realy should not say exactly but in my words im sorry the mother and father of the kid who did this i would have been in jail nobody touches my child
yes bones I TOTALLY THINK GOING TO A LAWYER would be 1 great start and there are a few in missouri that havent filled in there pro bono hours and i bet u could find a lawyer outside the kennet area that isnt friends with people around here or they here its so and soo s kid the big problem ive seen since ive been here is if you have the name your in the game if your name isnt 1 of the innn crowds ur screwed so id go to cape or somewheres cause its not fair
ocean, let me tell you, It's been hard being cool headed over this. But I live by "What comes around goes around" and "Good things come to those who wait". I've always been one who likes to work stuff out the easiest way for both sides. But when you are ignored when you try to make contact it's just makes me madder. And its bad enough when I'm mad, but now I'm P!$$*d.
Maybe we are missing the bigger picture here, guys. I have scanned the comments and I keep seeing "responsibility" "lawyer" "money" "punishment."
It doesn't make any more sense to blame the home and the parents when something happens at a child's school than it would if a parent called the school and said "Johnny wouldn't clean his bedroom today, so you need to talk to him about it when he gets to school."
The school should be able to make and enforce rules and expect compliance no matter the home rules and no matter the parental support. We have to abide by different rules and policies most of our lives: We learn to adjust our behavior according to where we are and the rules. This is life. There are different rules for behavior in church, workplace, sports activities, bars and neighborhoods.
Some of us had no rules at home and there may have been dysfunction and neglect there also. But we knew what was expected of us outside of home and we also figured out quickly our home life was not the average or acceptable. That's why little children have shame or self-esteem issues. They know the difference. They are waiting for someone who cares enough about them to make some rules, follow through on enforcement and to help them to rise to the appropriate level of behavior - That is the main job of any adult in the child's life - to help them to rise.
I think the schools drop the ball when they throw up their hands and give up on challenging children or judge them and never help them get past the labels and the judgment.
This specific situation involving personal injury should have been handled w-a-a-a-y differently. There should be a WRITTEN policy in place at the school to handle specific issues, including this one. This policy should be followed exactly. An accident/injury report form should be completed immediately and a copy given to parents and one put in the child's file. The school social worker should have been notified. Because of confidentiality, some of the information may not be available to all parties - including the injured child's - such as who did what to whom. There should be a written policy regarding outcomes and resolution and issues regarding physical injury should be addressed.
I am interested to see how this particular situation is resolved. It may set precedent for the future. Good luck!
Well to start off i was just blown away at your sons picture, and no child should have to take this at any school!My child was also beaten up last year at this school on the bus,where there was no supervision. He had a bruised eye, cheek and several bruises in on his legs. My son was only 6 at the time this occured , and never has been one to start fights, but another child 2 grades up from him, just jumped on the bus and started in on him! I was so angry when the bus driver just dropped him off as nothing had happened. I took pictures and showed the elementary princple the next day , and nothing came of it no paddling or suspension.I also have 7th grader who has came home alot this year saying he is being bullied everyday pretty much at this school, he's a laid back kid who tends to keep to himself until he's pushed to his limit and then when he's been pushed so far he will take up for himself.We moved here a few years ago from a city ,and we never seen so much bullying going on, it was all new to us. I have been up to talk to the principle, but never really felt anything was accomplished.My oldest was pushed to the point this year where he did finally just give the boy the fight he wanted , and i was never for him going to school and acting out like that , and never will be, but come on after so much of being bullied can one take!I have noticed alot of these parents with these type of kids are strung out on drugs , and alcoholics and dont play their kids any attention that they so need in this world today.I think there should be more Dare programs and bully laws that are strict in all schools.I've seen the best kids this year who really try at school .and go their to get a education and not to bully someone, get into trouble cause of pressure.Something needs to change though thats for sure. I hope you can do something sir, but it's going to take alot!I am so sorry your child had to go through that it's just so sad to look at that picture!I wish your family luck.Also i will be praying for our school to find a solution to these problems that are happening everday.
Well to start off i was just blown away at your sons picture, and no child should have to take this at any school!My child was also beaten up last year at this school on the bus,where there was no supervision. He had a bruised eye, cheek and several bruises in on his legs. My son was only 6 at the time this occured , and never has been one to start fights, but another child 2 grades up from him, just jumped on the bus and started in on him! I was so angry when the bus driver just dropped him off as nothing had happened. I took pictures and showed the elementary princple the next day , and nothing came of it no paddling or suspension.I also have 7th grader who has came home alot this year saying he is being bullied everyday pretty much at this school, he's a laid back kid who tends to keep to himself until he's pushed to his limit and then when he's been pushed so far he will take up for himself.We moved here a few years ago from a city ,and we never seen so much bullying going on, it was all new to us. I have been up to talk to the principle, but never really felt anything was accomplished.My oldest was pushed to the point this year where he did finally just give the boy the fight he wanted , and i was never for him going to school and acting out like that , and never will be, but come on after so much of being bullied can one take!I have noticed alot of these parents with these type of kids are strung out on drugs , and alcoholics and dont play their kids any attention that they so need in this world today.I think there should be more Dare programs and bully laws that are strict in all schools.I've seen the best kids this year who really try at school .and go their to get a education and not to bully someone, get into trouble cause of pressure.Something needs to change though thats for sure. I hope you can do something sir, but it's going to take alot!I am so sorry your child had to go through that it's just so sad to look at that picture!I wish your family luck.Also i will be praying for our school to find a solution to these problems that are happening everday.
i think all the teachers kids are bullys for sure. one bullys me everyday, he thinks cause he's all buffed and his mom is a teacher he can get by with it. if the teachers kids dont live in the district then they shouldn't be able to come toour schools and play all bad.